Blogspot, you tick me off!

by Kestrel on Monday, December 3, 2007 · 26 comments

in Blogs and Blogging

BIG TIME! 

 

 

 

Remember my nice, polite request of Blogspot bloggers here? And the reprise here? So many of you accommodated those of us who use WordPress, Vox, and other blogging software. In fact, the first article has 15 comments: the most of any article I’ve written. I love you guys’n'gals!

Well, Google/Blogspot must have got wind of my nefarious plot. I noticed this over the weekend on a few blogs as I commented. Today, I finally decided to see if it was universal, and it is: NO LONGER may I use any linked identity except my Blogger ID when I comment on a Blogspot blog. At the very least, I believe that’s very inconsiderate of Google/Blogspot. At worst, it approaches prior restraint* by making it more difficult for readers to simply click my name on a comment and come here to learn what I’m all about.

Believe me, if WordPress ever implements something so draconian and unalterable, I’ll be looking for a new underlayment tout suite!

(An aside: If any of you Blogspotters want some help on moving to WordPress, I’m sure I am not alone in offering whatever assistance you need!)

Oh…and… /rant off. 

 


* IANAL. However, I recognize the doctrine of prior restraint does not strictly apply to actions by private enterprises. Allow me some editorial license, okay? After all, that’s why I included the link. 

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Trollin' Monday, December 3, 2007 at 16:46

Blogspot Blogger here, very new though.

That’s actually quite contemptible of Google, something I’d never have believe to have seen coming. I originally set up my blog on Wordpress.com but I couldn’t find a way to modify the straight HTML and CSS of my blog without paying teh monies.

I’m a poor college kid, monies are not free flowing for me.

When it came down to the two better of the free blog softwares, I chose Blogger because it gave me more freedom to mess around with my end of the blogging spectrum. Apparently, they grab the people like that because they know they’re going to treat the readers of those blogs like crap.

I’m going to look into this. It’s possibly something that can be fixed.

I dunno… = /

Horns Monday, December 3, 2007 at 18:02

Hmm just checked and you’re right, you can’t include a link to your website anymore. Not like I post comments just for the link, but still if I do post I’d at least like people to know who posted it. I don’t even have a link to my blog in my blogger profile, nor will I ever have.
It’s a weird move by blogger – leaving links in comments won’t alter anyone’s search engine rankings since they are nofollow by default – and a few visitors you can get with that link won’t help much.

Gwaendar Monday, December 3, 2007 at 18:17

Wasn’t aware of that. This sucks. If I hadn’t invested so much time in learning to tweak blogspot to my likings, I’d probably consider moving right now.
The lack of proper trackbacks and now this kind of crap? Blogger’s redefinition of blogging sure starts to remind me of MS’ attempts to redefine html or java or… [insert whatever "standard" MS has used in its history here].

Lady-Jess Monday, December 3, 2007 at 20:43

I noticed that! The only thing I could do was start an account under that name and link my wp blog in my profile. Not fair I say!

Mana Battery Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 02:23

I’m thinking about moving, actually. Not to wordpress directly, but to my own domain.

ChainTrap Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 04:01

I migrated from Blogger to wordpress.com a few weeks back, after some excellent advice from fellow bloggers. I love it, and will stick with it – however I’m struggling to work out how to include the Wowhead tooltips on mouseover. Any ideas how I could do so?

Ratshag Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 06:43

Oh, them gubberflubbers. Don’t see any way to turn this off, neither. Looks like I may need to move again, dang it. (And yes Kestrel I will let you know in BIG BOLD LETTERS when i does)

Kestrel Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 07:03

LOL @ Ratty

@ ChainTrap
Check out this page: Powered by WoWHead.

@ Mana Batt
Can you run Blogger outside Blogspot?

Horns Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 09:26

You can use blogger with a custom domain – I think thats what MB meant.

http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=55373

Kestrel Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 09:45

@ Horns
Ahh…that’s right. I remember now, when I first moved to Wordpress, I was considering that option with Blogger, but I liked the greater flexibility WP gave me.

(I should make it clear, I’m not anti-Blogspot: Some of my favorite bloggers use it! *grin* I just prefer WP.)

Gwaendar Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 15:07

So we have this, the missing trackback features, and the thing I linked below…

Starts to look bad for blogger. My only concern is to re-find the wordpress.org adaptation of the Okoloth / Severkill itemlinks, since I refuse to use wowhead or thottbot.

http://altitis.blogspot.com/2007/12/blast-it-blogger-get-your-posting-dates.html

TJ Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 06:13

I noticed this as well, and it’s kind of infuriating. I’m not too concerned about it as far as following my link – if someone really feels like seeing my page after a comment I left, I assume they’ll find a way. I’m just mad because it seems to me that the whole nature of blogging is kind of about free-flowing information and communication, and a roadblock has been thrown up in the way of the ease of that. If I have to register to comment on a site, chances are I’m not going to do it. Lorelle, who writes a blog about WordPress and blogging in general, has often written articles about encouraging comments, and one of the main things she says is that you should not be putting barriers in the way of your commenters. If you look at your webstats, and compare that to the number of comments you get, you can already see that it’s a relatively small minority that comment at all, and I think not only does this inconveniece those of us who are not using Blogger on BlogSpot, but also is going to cause those who ARE writing on that domain to suffer, as far as gaining responses to what they write. It’s a disservice both to readers and writers, and I honestly can’t say I see the point to it, other than another small step towards world domination by Google, especially since most people are using nofollow, as it’s now the default, and Google is punching you in the pagerank if you don’t. If I have to register to make a quick comment, well, 9 times out of 10 I’m going to decide that what I wanted to say didn’t matter that much anyway.

As far as other options – hosting your own domain is pretty inexpensive these days, and on your own domain, you have many options as to what kind of content management system you’d like to use, including Blogger, WordPress, and others. It’s not as intimidating as some may think it is. On top of that, Wordpress.com makes it very easy to use a hosted blog, much like BlogSpot, and it’s basically one button press to import all your Blogger entries and comments to your new location.

Anyone who would like to move, as Kestrel said, can talk to me as well and I can help you figure out the details, and on top of that, if you’re worried about losing traffic with a move, I’ll start a whole new sidebar on my site and obnoxiously direct attention to it. Though my traffic is not massive, I can at least help you get a rolling start at your new place.

In summation – I will do anything to get people to move off of Blogger, it’s the principle of the thing.

Gwaendar Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 07:33

I’ve thought about this more and came to the same conclusions than TJ here. Barriers to free communication and interaction hurt bloggers and readers. I respect and admire Google on many of the things they develop but Blogger isn’t heading in the right direction, which is opening up features which bring it up to par with what I have started to understand are standards in the blogosphere. If everyone is using energy efficient lightbulbs and your host moves from incandescent (sp?) bulbs to candlelight instead, it is time to move.
I’ve started working on the new Altitis, and it’ll be a hosted wordpress. The best thing is, Okoloth’s item popup works perfectly fine as is (which I would have realised if I were smart).

Kestrel Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 10:56

Wow…what an eloquent commentary, TJ — thank you!

I really had no idea my semi-tongue-in-cheek “rant” would generate such a response, but as I read TJ’s comments, it dawned on me that we should rail against barriers to the open flow of ideas and commentary.

I have no pretensions that my blog is anything special to anyone but me, and the few of you who read it regularly or semi-regularly. But there are blogs out there–even WoW-centered blogs–that are a lot more important, and help people analyze issues large and small, as well as formulate opinions and positions on those issues.

One step at a time, those of us who use the internet interactively–in other words, to truly interact with others, as you and I do with each other here and on myriad other blogs–are truly forging a world community. We are breaking down centuries of ethnocentrism, misplaced nationalism, and other barriers to free and open intercourse–social, verbal, commercial–that are impeding the progress of our race.

I don’t expect huge gains in (what remains of) my lifetime, but I’ve already seen more progress in the last 30 years than took place in the preceding 300, or 3000.

Even the smallest obstacle to our continued progress is too large.

Ess Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 13:57

Well, that’s it. I’m convinced. Moved!

Kestrel Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 14:15

Grats on the move, Ess, and the new site looks great!

Gwaendar Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 09:51

I’ve followed suit. Bye bye blogger, may your devs head back into the right direction and bring you back on track some day.

Someone Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 11:08

Guys and gals: cut those devs some slack! They’re probably suffering from some VISTAitis… Remember Vista? The new OS from MSFT that was to “protect” you from bad sites and programs? And then they implement that sh*t so badly that 50% of the users just click OK without even reading what it says and the other 50% have found out how to promptly disable UAC?

I’m pretty sure this move from Blogger started as some way to “protect” bloggers from all those (semi-)automated spamming systems that would use that ability to link to their gold/porn/whatever selling sites even if the link they added in the comment itself was “fixed”. It’s just a case of a bad solution for a somewhat minor problem, that’s all.

Now, how many of those commenting here have taken it to Blogger support? They won’t be coming here to read the comments: if you don’t like it, make a stand and mail those devs! Personally, I don’t like WP because of that “you have to pay for more” philosophy. It doesn’t matter if it’s not much, but not even being able to edit one’s HTML template on the free service? C’mon!

So, now I’ll go see how to contact Blogger and tell them I don’t like that move. I’d advise all those around with blogger based blogs to do the same. Then we’ll see if they react or not…

Someone Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 11:33

Well, I was going to complain as I said, but, as I usually do, I first looked around for known issues and found this

In short, you CAN still link to your WP or other blogs. It just takes some reading and maybe the blog author (Blogger side), enabling OpenID, which I’ll go see how to do and activate on my own blogs right away. So, it looks as if it was not THAT bad of a move, but rather people complaining without actually TRYING to understand, and all those others that (like myself), believed other complains and thought they were real… :(

TJ Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 13:37

You know, Someone, a lot of times you’re a little passive agressive for me.

You’ve missed the point, or, at least, my point. Blogger has -taken away- the ability for someone just stopping by to drop off a comment, or someone who, for whatever reason, doesn’t WANT an OpenID. This, for me at least, has nothing to do with being able to link to my site, and everything to do with not having to jump through hoops to leave a comment. You can say “Oh it’s just a LITTLE hoop” or “If you did some research you’d see you ONLY have to do THIS…” — Doesn’t matter. Point is, I can’t just drop my nickname and a comment anymore. I either must be known as ‘anonymous,’ which you know carries no weight on the internet, or register for a service I have no desire to be a member of. And it’s now -required- to comment, unless, as I said, you want to be anonymous. THAT is the problem. You, as a blogger, have options, sure – none of which are attractive.

Valyre Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 14:54

I think there’s more going on than just this. I have 2 blogger accounts. One was started 2 years ago, and the other was in the last month. They have different services offered, even though they’re both free. For example, on the older account, I can get rid of the blogger banner/search thing at the top. The new one only lets me change the color.

The options when you’re creating a post are also different. The old one lets you pick text colors, sizes, and generally just about anything from buttons at the top. The new one is basically links and pictures via buttons. That’s it. And you’re writing in html code by default.

The new one isn’t total junk. They did give me a drag-and-drop, pick-your-formats-from-a-list type interface. The old one still requires you to edit the CSS.

Why would two accounts be so different? Is my old account “frozen in time” with no hope of new updates? Is it because my old one is associated with a gmail account, and my new one isn’t? Is it because one is hosted on my server, while the other is on theirs? I dunno.

I looked into WP, but got scared off when I tried to host it locally. It seemed complicated at best.

Kestrel Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 14:58

@ Someone
It appears Blogspot has done a piss-poor job of making that info available to its bloggers: I am a registered Blogspot blogger, and I had to find out through you. For example, there’s nothing on the Blogspot Dashboard to tell me commenting on my Blogspot blog is fubar.

A disadvantage to OpenID (which concept I heartily endorse, btw) is that for many services, if you already have an ID established with that service, you CAN NOT use the same user name or e-mail address to register for the same service with OpenID (unless that’s been fixed in the last 72 hours).

Also: I don’t want to be “kestrelsaerie.vox.com” or “kestrelsaerie.wordpress.com” when I comment on Blogger: I want to be Kestrel, whose blog is at http://kestrelsaerie.us

Mana Battery Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 19:33

I’m leaning towards maybe switching to WP and getting my own domain to use it on, not blahblah.wordpress.com. That’s what I meant :) Sort of like Doom went and did.

Gwaendar Friday, December 7, 2007 at 04:15

As the others have offered, I have just switched and the whole procedure is fresh in my mind so in case you need any help, just ask :)

Horns Friday, December 7, 2007 at 09:19

@22

Maybe you didn’t upgrade one of your accounts to the “new” blogger

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